Tuesday, 22 Oct, 2024

2022 Kia Carnival vs. Chrysler Pacifica, Honda Odyssey, Toyota Sienna: Minivan Luxury Liners

From the 1980s through the late ’90s, families and minivans went together like ketchup and French fries. That was certainly the case among my friends’ families, all of whom drove around Mexico City in white Ford Windstars. Our own green Windstar was easier to spot in our school’s pickup/drop-off line, but its sliding door, spacious interior, and carlike ride were no less perfect for our usual carpool of six. Prior to that van, we had a red Windstar and a white Chrysler Voyager, but those ended up being stolen. See, we told you minivans were popular.

But the rise of two-box crossovers and SUVs led to the stigmatization of minivans as an unfashionable mom-mobiles despite off-the-charts versatility and convenience. And just like that, these carefully packaged, thoughtfully designed vehicles were replaced by less practical and less adaptable three-row SUVs.

Today’s minivans go all out in terms of technology and features in an attempt to swing the pendulum back. We gathered the fanciest, top-trim versions of the entire segment—including the newest kid on the block, the Kia Carnival—plus three dads (Dr. Bob Cho, chief of staff at Shriners for Children Medical Center in Pasadena; MotorTrend head of editorial Ed Loh; and senior features editor Jonny Lieberman) and yours truly, a single 32-year-old with vast experience living with and driving such vehicles, to see which modern, luxury-leaning minivan reigns supreme.





























































































































































































































































































































































































































































































Toyota’s second-row seats are similarly luxurious, albeit without power adjustment (good in terms of speed) or built-in footrests. “Tons of legroom in the second row,” Loh said. “Good seat comfort overall, and in the first row, too. Third-row access isn’t difficult once you figure out where the levers are. What’s missing is a ceiling-mounted camera to keep a close eye on kids. All the other minivans had one.”

The Pacifica’s second-row Stow ’N Go seats easily stash in floor cubbies to help you haul huge items—or make a limolike rear seat—but the trade-off is thin, less comfortable seat cushions and the inability to slide forward or aft. In addition, “the front seats are uncomfortable, with the upper back jutting out farther than the lower section,” Lieberman said.

The Odyssey has tons of legroom and headroom everywhere, and its cushy second-row seats can slide forward, back, and sideways. “Access to the third row is the easiest thanks to this flexibility,” Cho said. “Great for, say, grandparents who may have arthritic joints.”

The Chrysler has the best infotainment setup; its Uconnect system is intuitive, has crisp graphics, and supports wireless Apple CarPlay. The Carnival’s gorgeous, Mercedes-like pair of screens made jaws drop, and its software is only slightly less user-friendly than the Pacifica’s. Honda and Toyota have fallen behind in this game; neither infotainment setup is as advanced in terms of the screens, graphics, or user experience. And the Sienna’s backup camera suffers from extremely poor resolution. “The Chrysler’s feels 4K, but the Sienna’s feels VGA,” Loh said.







Which One Drives the Best?

Minivans aren’t known for being enjoyable to drive, but a responsive, predictable vehicle can instill confidence behind the wheel—important when you want to keep your brood safe. During our drive loops on the Palos Verdes Peninsula, we applauded the Pacifica for its pleasant driving experience. “Good steering, handling, and brakes were engineered into the Pacifica,” Lieberman said. “Hats off for that.” Cho described the driving experience as closer to a car than a van and noted the nimble and agile dynamics.

The Honda’s ride is a little more jittery than the Pacifica’s, but its engine and transmission form a formidable and smooth-working team—even though the Chrysler felt the quickest on the road, the Odyssey actually came out on top in our straight-line acceleration tests. Honda engineers also paid close attention to steering quality and linearity, which Loh described as “just about perfect.”

The Carnival’s smooth-riding suspension is on the soft side, imparting more body motion in corners than we’d generally prefer. Acceleration is adequate, but the transmission isn’t as quick to shift or select the proper gear as the Odyssey’s. Still, the Kia’s laid-back nature and more luxurious cabin combine for a relaxing, upscale experience.

Everyone agreed the Sienna’s brake pedal was numb and difficult to acclimate to, and that its engine is too noisy with even light pedal applications. Cho and Lieberman decried the Sienna’s disconnected feel and that its various chassis elements do their work in isolation, not harmony. Loh, however, lauded its 35-mpg combined EPA rating. “The powertrain is refined enough for those willing to suffer some noise for far superior fuel economy,” he said.





OK, Which One Should I Buy?

Across its entire lineup, but especially in this four-van shootout, the Kia Carnival makes an extremely strong argument in terms of value. “It feels like the most expensive van in the test, but it’s actually the most affordable.” Loh said. The Odyssey and Sienna also make good cases for themselves with flexible storage and clever packaging, but in their top-spec trims, they simply feel dated and less modern and feature-rich. The Pacifica is a letdown in terms of value; it may drive the best among the bunch, but its disappointing interior materials don’t justify its price.

5-Year Cost of Ownership Breakdown 2021 Chrysler Pacifica S Limited AWD 2021 Honda Odyssey Elite 2022 Kia Carnival (SX Prestige)* 2021 Toyota Sienna Platinum Hybrid AWD
AVG STATE FEES $1,334 $1,260 $1,185 $1,335
DEPRECIATION $32,099 (57%) $23,794 (49%) $25,633 (56%) $26,137 (47%)
FINANCING $5,633 $4,886 $4,541 $5,489
INSURANCE $7,409 $6,911 $7,394 $8,216
FUEL $8,554 $7,645 $8,498 $5,056
MAINTENANCE $2,651 $2,875 $2,605 $2,356
REPAIRS $873 $683 $186 $694
TOTAL 5-YEAR COST OF OWNERSHIP $58,553 $48,054 $50,043 $49,283
INTELLICHOICE Target Purchase Price $56,546 $49,031 $45,582 $55,094
*Kia Carnival information unavailable at this time; data is for 2021 Kia Sedona

“There are very few outright flaws in the Sienna,” Loh said, “and it has considerable engineering and efficiency advantages.” Still, the hybrid powertrain and smartly designed cabin weren’t enough to slot it above the other three vans. Its numb brake feel, loud powertrain, and dated technology sealed its fate.

The Pacifica came in third. Its high price and cost of ownership didn’t help, especially against the Kia’s superior style, quality, and technology, but the Chrysler’s versatility, connectivity, and dynamics helped it edge out the Toyota. “If AWD and cargo flexibility are important to you, this car is probably the winner,” Cho said.

The Odyssey scored second place. It does so many things right—its storage areas and cupholders are plentiful and easy to access, and its interior is roomy enough that you won’t hear complaints from kids, parents, or grandparents. “The Odyssey may not be as stylish as the Carnival,” Loh said, “or quite as nice to drive as the Pacifica, or have a whiz-bang hybrid system like the Sienna, but everything functions seamlessly.”

That puts the new Kia Carnival in the winner’s circle. Yes, the Carnival has its flaws, but it’s simply too good in too many areas to deny. It has most of the features you and passengers of all ages could want at a highly attractive price. Even after a couple weeks of schlepping around after this comparison test, the Kia was the van we—and most important, our family members—most wanted to be in.

Although one van clearly stands out among this fully loaded foursome, there’s little doubt today’s models are the best ever, and we’d be eager to repeat this test with lesser versions that sit more at the heart of the minivan market. French fries and ketchup remain a go-to combination, and here’s hoping families and vans become a classic combo once again.

4th Place: Toyota Sienna

Pros: Standard hybrid powertrain, EPA-rated 35 mpg combined with AWD, practical center console.

Cons: Engine noise, looks sportier than it is, dated-feeling infotainment system.

Verdict: Amazing fuel economy and good storage, but poor brake pedal feel and lack of family-friendly features relegate it to this spot.

3rd Place: Chrysler Pacifica

Pros: Good handling for the class, Stow ’N Go flexibility, high-res and easy-to-use infotainment system.

Cons: Lackluster interior material choices, the priciest, few showstopper features.

Verdict: The driver’s choice, but its eye-popping MSRP and segment-trailing materials mean this former segment leader has been passed by the competition.

2nd Place: Honda Odyssey

Pros: Quickest in the test, has hill-friendly shift paddles, best third-row access.

Cons: Outdated infotainment setup, front-drive only, third row somewhat difficult to raise and lower.

Verdict: A really good all-rounder, surpassed only by the greatness of our winner.

1st Place: Kia Carnival

Pros: Incredible value, long list of thoughtful features for the whole family, upscale styling.

Cons: VIP seats don’t move for people and cargo, no available hybrid or AWD, ride is a little too plush.

Verdict: Big value, tons of comfort, attractive looks, modern tech—the list goes on. The Carnival shakes up the segment.

POWERTRAIN/CHASSIS 2021 Chrysler Pacifica S Limited AWD 2021 Honda Odyssey Elite 2022 Kia Carnival (SX Prestige) 2021 Toyota Sienna Platinum Hybrid AWD
DRIVETRAIN LAYOUT Front-engine, AWD Front-engine, FWD Front-engine, FWD Front-engine, AWD
ENGINE TYPE 60-deg V-6, alum block/heads 60-deg V-6, alum block/heads 60-deg V-6, alum block/heads I-4, alum block/head, plus rear permanent-magnet electric motor
VALVETRAIN DOHC, 4 valves/cyl SOHC, 4 valves/cyl DOHC, 4 valves/cyl DOHC, 4 valves/cyl
DISPLACEMENT 220.0 cu in/3,605 cc 211.8 cu in/3,471 cc 211.8 cu in/3,470 cc 151.8 cu in/2,478 cc
COMPRESSION RATIO 11.3:1 11.5:1 12.3:1 14.0:1
POWER (SAE NET) 287 hp @ 6,400 rpm 280 hp @ 6,000 rpm 290 hp @ 6,400 rpm 189 hp @ 6,000 rpm (gas), 180 hp (elec), 245 hp (comb)
TORQUE (SAE NET) 262 lb-ft @ 4,000 rpm 262 lb-ft @ 4,700 rpm 262 lb-ft @ 5,000 rpm 176 lb-ft @ 4,400 rpm (gas), 199 lb-ft (elec)
REDLINE 6,400 rpm 6,800 rpm 6,750 rpm Not indicated
WEIGHT TO POWER 17.2 lb/hp 16.2 lb/hp 16.4 lb/hp 19.5 lb/hp
TRANSMISSION 9-speed automatic 10-speed automatic 8-speed automatic Cont variable auto
AXLE/FINAL-DRIVE RATIO 3.73:1/1.79:1 3.61:1/1.87:1 3.51:1/2.27:1 NA
SUSPENSION, FRONT; REAR Struts, coil springs, anti-roll bar; torsion beam, coil springs, anti-roll bar Struts, coil springs, anti-roll bar; multilink, coil springs, anti-roll bar Struts, coil springs, anti-roll bar; multilink, coil springs, anti-roll bar Struts, coil springs, anti-roll bar; multilink, coil springs, anti-roll bar
STEERING RATIO 15.7:1 14.4:1 14.2:1 14.3:1
TURNS LOCK-TO-LOCK 3.0 3.0 3.0 3.0
BRAKES, F; R 13.8-in vented disc; 13.4-in disc, ABS 12.6-in vented disc; 13.0-in disc, ABS 12.8-in vented disc; 12.8-in disc, ABS 12.9-in vented disc; 12.5-in vented disc, ABS
WHEELS 7.5 x 20-in cast aluminum 7.5 x 19-in cast aluminum 7.5 x 19-in cast aluminum 7.5 x 18-in cast aluminum
TIRES 245/50R20 102V Falken Ziex CT50 A/S (M+S) 235/55R19 101H Bridgestone Turanza EL440 (M+S) 235/55R19 101H Continental CrossContact RX (M+S) 235/60R18 102V Bridgestone Turanza LS100 (M+S)
DIMENSIONS
WHEELBASE 121.6 in 118.1 in 121.7 in 120.5 in
TRACK, F/R 68.8/68.8 in 67.3/67.2 in 68.5/68.5 in 67.7/68.5 in
LENGTH x WIDTH x HEIGHT 204.3 x 79.6 x 70.7 in 205.2 x 78.5 x 69.6 in 203.0 x 78.5 x 68.5 in 203.7 x 78.5 x 68.5 in
TURNING CIRCLE 40.2 ft 39.6 ft 38.0 ft 38.3 ft
CURB WEIGHT 4,935 lb 4,541 lb 4,759 lb 4,781 lb
WEIGHT DIST, F/R 56/44% 55/45% 55/45% 53/47%
TOWING CAPACITY 3,600 lb 3,500 lb 3,500 lb 3,500 lb
SEATING CAPACITY 7 8 7 7
HEADROOM, F/M/R 38.4/38.0/38.7 in 38.7/39.2/38.3 in 39.7/37.6/36.5 in 40.1/39.3/37.4 in
LEGROOM, F/M/R 41.1/39.0/36.5 in 40.9/40.9/38.1 in 41.1/40.5/35.6 in 40.3/39.9/38.7 in
SHOULDER ROOM, F/M/R 63.8/63.0/61.2 in 63.1/61.6/60.0 in 64.2/63.2/59.5 in 62.4/62.7/58.5 in
CARGO VOLUME, BEH F/M/R 140.5/87.5/32.2 cu ft 140.7/91.0/38.6 cu ft —/86.9/40.2/cu ft 101.0/75.2/33.5 cu ft
TEST DATA
ACCELERATION TO MPH
0-30 2.5 sec 2.6 sec 2.7 sec 2.4 sec
0-40 4.0 3.7 4.0 3.8
0-50 5.6 5.2 5.5 5.5
0-60 7.8 6.7 7.5 7.6
0-70 10.3 8.7 9.7 10.1
0-80 13.3 11.1 12.1 13.0
0-90 17.2 13.8 15.4 16.6
PASSING, 45-65 MPH 4.2 3.3 3.9 4.1
QUARTER MILE 16.0 sec @ 87.1 mph 15.2 sec @ 94.5 mph 15.7 sec @ 90.7 mph 15.8 sec @ 87.8 mph
BRAKING, 60-0 MPH 122 ft 123 ft 118 ft 125 ft
LATERAL ACCELERATION 0.78 g (avg) 0.75 g (avg) 0.80 g (avg) 0.82 g (avg)
MT FIGURE EIGHT 28.0 sec @ 0.58 g (avg) 29.1 sec @ 0.56 g (avg) 27.9 sec @ 0.60 g (avg) 28.2 sec @ 0.59 g (avg)
TOP-GEAR REVS @ 60 MPH 1,500 rpm 1,500 rpm 1,600 rpm NA rpm
CONSUMER INFO
BASE PRICE $50,705 $48,995 $47,275 $51,635
PRICE AS TESTED $56,090 $49,390 $47,770 $54,138
AIRBAGS 8: Dual front, front side, f/m/r curtain, front knee 8: Dual front, front side, f/m/r curtain, front knee 6: Dual front, front side, f/m/r curtain 10: Dual front, front side, middle side, f/m/r curtain, driver knee, passenger thigh
BASIC WARRANTY 3 yrs/36,000 miles 3 yrs/36,000 miles 5 yrs/60,000 miles 3 yrs/36,000 miles
POWERTRAIN WARRANTY 5 yrs/60,000 miles 5 yrs/60,000 miles 10 yrs/100,000 miles 5 yrs/60,000 miles*
ROADSIDE ASSISTANCE 5 yrs/100,000 miles 3 yrs/36,000 miles 5 yrs/60,000 miles 2 yrs/unlimited miles
FUEL CAPACITY 19.0 gal 19.5 gal 19.0 gal 18.0 gal + 1.9 kWh Ni-MH battery
EPA CITY/HWY/COMB ECON 17/25/20 mpg 19/28/22 mpg 19/26/22 mpg 35/36/35 mpg
ENERGY CONS, CITY/HWY 198/135 kWh/100 miles 177/120 kWh/100 miles 177/130 kWh/100 miles 96/94 kWh/100 miles
CO2 EMISSIONS, COMB 0.98 lb/mile 0.87 lb/mile 0.90 lb/mile 0.55 lb/mile
RECOMMENDED FUEL Unleaded regular Unleaded regular Unleaded regular Unleaded regular
*Hybrid system coverage extends to 8 yrs/100,000 miles, hybrid battery coverage to 10 yrs/150,000 miles
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By: Miguel Cortina
Title: 2022 Kia Carnival vs. Chrysler Pacifica, Honda Odyssey, Toyota Sienna: Minivan Luxury Liners
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Published Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2021 10:00:31 +0000